Shooting at Fort Hood TX

Or perhaps a response to people who, like you, would prefer to blame Muslims for the problems we face.  Most Muslims are not extremists.  Most Muslims extremists do not live in this country.  For that matter, until 9/11, Christian conservative extremists were considered more dangerous in this country than Muslim extremists.

I'm not writing off the possibility that he did carry out the attack to prevent other soldiers from deploying, but whether it was terrorism or not doesn't change anything -- if he had done it high on meth, it would be just as horrifying and hurt the families of the dead just as badly.  Personally, I don't think that killing him will make anything better for anyone, but I won't decide that; as OS said, a jury of six officers will.

Also, doesn't it seem possible that he couldn't deal with the possibility that he would be exposed to the horrors that the soldiers he was counseling were telling him about?  People who snap aren't generally very rational.

Making your text huge is just annoying, I really don't know why you insist on doing it.

Doing it for the lulz

Can we just get rid of religion now?

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise Guess all those rock concerts at the white house help him think. Or maybe all those golf games, or pickup basketball while our soldiers are dying because they don't have the support of the commander in chief.   This is a disgrace.

Again, great specific examples.

Also, how is this Obama's fault?  It's his fault that a small subset of Muslims want to kill our soldiers who are currently invading their lands in a war started by Bush?

Explain that logic again, please.

Many here do not know how the 'system' works. The Commander of the Post was directed from 'above' to issue statements that could actually be contrary to the facts as known at the time. The containment of the information that may damage the 'system' is the primary reason the military is in the poor shape it is, the 'spin' polititians demand to keep the military in its 'place'.


As more and more 'facts' leak, and the prefered story falls apart, the administration is going to realize thier mistake, and watch how many 'scapegoats' are found at Ft, Hood. And the Officers will do the 'right thing' and resign rather than discrace the nation or uniform.

The "Allah, Akbar" (if found as true)yelling as he was shooting puts him into a known catagory of 'enemy combatant', and immediately places his actions into the 'treason' catagory, plain and simple. (Imagine a German American Officer in WW2 yelling "Heil Hitler" as he shot soldiers preparing to deploy to Europe what the response and charges would be, if he actually survived to Courts Martial, and then the results) He lost his protections (remmember he falls under UCMJ not Civil Law) if foundation is established, the UCMJ can and hopefully will, charge, try, and execute without a media circus.

All this 'spin' and 'pity party' comments by the usual suspects are funny in how many know how the UCMJ differs from Civil Law. Yes, the administration (Obama included) are in total 'repair and contain mode' and are telling the Commander at Ft. Hood exactly what to say and when, and he obeys orders as issued. He will eventually be thrown under the bus by the Obama administration, for the statements he was ordered to issue.

Originally posted by oldsoldier Many here do not know how the 'system' works. The Commander of the Post was directed from 'above' to issue statements that could actually be contrary to the facts as known at the time. The containment of the information that may damage the 'system' is the primary reason the military is in the poor shape it is, the 'spin' polititians demand to keep the military in its 'place'. As more and more 'facts' leak, and the prefered story falls apart, the administration is going to realize thier mistake, and watch how many 'scapegoats' are found at Ft, Hood. And the Officers will do the 'right thing' and resign rather than discrace the nation or uniform. Yeah this won't happen. The "Allah, Akbar" (if found as true)yelling as he was shooting puts him into a known catagory of 'enemy combatant', and immediately places his actions into the 'treason' catagory, plain and simple. (Imagine a German American Officer in WW2 yelling "Heil Hitler" as he shot soldiers preparing to deploy to Europe what the response and charges would be, if he actually survived to Courts Martial, and then the results) He lost his protections (remmember he falls under UCMJ not Civil Law) if foundation is established, the UCMJ can and hopefully will, charge, try, and execute without a media circus. Do you seriously have to Godwin every single thread in the history of the tippmann forums? It is getting old. On that note HEIL HITLER is not the same as ALLAHU AKBAR! One is saying God is Great, one is pledging allegiance to a leader of a country. Other than this, I am surprised he hasn't been executed yet. In fact he probably is only alive because actual police showed up. All this 'spin' and 'pity party' comments by the usual suspects are funny in how many know how the UCMJ differs from Civil Law. Yes, the administration (Obama included) are in total 'repair and contain mode' and are telling the Commander at Ft. Hood exactly what to say and when, and he obeys orders as issued. He will eventually be thrown under the bus by the Obama administration, for the statements he was ordered to issue. Why are they in "repair and contain mode"? This has nothing to do with the administration or how the military works. What is this spin and pity party you speak of? No commander is going to be thrown under the bus because of this. It is not like they allowed people to enter a base and start blasting people. He was a major who probably snapped. I point you to Charles Whitman. A United States Marine who you should know about. Was he secretly a VC who decided it was time to shoot a bunch of people, or did he just go crazy?

Originally posted by Benjichang I don't see why we're arguing whether it was terrorism or not. Personally, I'm extremely tired of hearing the phrase tacked on to everything. If you're going to call it terrorism, however, then you better call the kids from Columbine terrorists, as well as the beltway snipers, and ever other serial/mass murderer.

Exactly.

Do you have to bash Obama in every single thread?

I think it's more appropriately summed up as treason rather than terrorism. Not that it doesn't have terrorist aspects, but the target was soldiers imminently deploying to Iraq, which differs in nature from a civilian target. I'm not at all suggesting that it's any 'better' for that reason, but there is a difference between targeting uniformed soldiers and going after civilians.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise Cone did not speculate on a motive, but the army released a statement saying the shootings did not appear to be an act of political terrorism.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise While investigators haven’t ruled out terrorism in the case, Cone said, the evidence doesn’t suggest it.

I'm sorry, where is the scrubbing going on?

You really are looking for a way to blame this on Islam, aren't you?