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  Quote Gatyr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:48pm
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Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable?

You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?

But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal. 
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  Quote Rofl_Mao Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:49pm
Who posts reliable links anymore?

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  Quote Frozen Balls Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:56pm
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BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE.


It is 58° in Boston right now. It snowed once with no accumulation about two weeks ago.

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  Quote Gatyr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by Rofl_Mao

Who posts reliable links anymore?


If you mean in response to someone and not in the OP, nobody I really consider respectable. The smart people on the forum are smart enough (or are just good at semantics and picking apart what people say, freaking lawyers :P) that they can discuss things without copy/pasta-ing links and bolding what they feel is relevant.

Peter and Whale, due to their respective (soon to be) professions, do not need to rely on the internets for discourse. Tallen is the same way (though cooking doesn't come up much for some reason) in that he's practically wikipedia.ru with everything he knows about Russia.
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  Quote __sneaky__ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Gatyr

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao

Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable?

You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?

But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal. 
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  Quote ParielIsBack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by Frozen Balls

Originally posted by oldsoldier



BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE.


It is 58° in Boston right now. It snowed once with no accumulation about two weeks ago.


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  Quote brihard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:49pm
Most really reliable links worth posting are off of scholarly journals anyway, and can't be accessed by normal hyperlink, but instead are on databases you need to log in to.
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  Quote Peter Parker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by Gatyr

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao

Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable?

You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?

But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal. 
 
Unfortunately, actual scientific journals are impossible to read unless you are educated in the field.  What he wants is a layman's explanation/summary of the actual science.
 
Conveniently there is a pretty good source: the various IPCC reports.  Some politics has crept in, but they remain (as far as I know) the single most comprehensive evaluation of all relevant science on the subject.  They aren't easy to read, but they are not impossible to read either.  And they are a free download, which is convenient.
 

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  Quote __sneaky__ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by Peter Parker

Originally posted by Gatyr

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao

Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable?

You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?

But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal. 
 
Unfortunately, actual scientific journals are impossible to read unless you are educated in the field.  What he wants is a layman's explanation/summary of the actual science.
 
Conveniently there is a pretty good source: the various IPCC reports.  Some politics has crept in, but they remain (as far as I know) the single most comprehensive evaluation of all relevant science on the subject.  They aren't easy to read, but they are not impossible to read either.  And they are a free download, which is convenient.
 
Read the origin of species in a week. It's not a related topic, but my reading comprehension is pretty good.
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  Quote Peter Parker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:32pm
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Read the origin of species in a week. It's not a related topic, but my reading comprehension is pretty good.
 
That is impressive, but what makes journals hard to read isn't just the subject matter.  OOS is a self-contained book - journal articles are usually descriptions of individual research projects with narrow conclusions.  This is why science is taught with textbooks rather than articles.
 
Reading articles can be fun and educational, but it is really hard to get the big picture from articles alone.
 

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They are hard to read because they are BORING.

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  Quote Mack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Peter Parker

Conveniently there is a pretty good source: the various IPCC reports.  Some politics has crept in, but they remain (as far as I know) the single most comprehensive evaluation of all relevant science on the subject.  They aren't easy to read, but they are not impossible to read either.  And they are a free download, which is convenient.


I was thinking about looking into those but had some concerns.






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And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world.
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  Quote ParielIsBack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:46pm
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And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world.


Actually, the internet was invented by Sir Timothy Berners Lee. :nododgynecessary:

Also, am I missing something, as it seems to be working pretty freakin' awesome for the world.


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  Quote Peter Parker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 6:39pm
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Do they have pictures?  Big smile
 
Some pictures, but lots of charts and graphs.  Which are kind of like pictures with lines on them.
 
 
 
Originally posted by oldsoldier

And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world.
 
Al Gore never said he invented the internet.
 
What he did say was that he was instrumental in getting the funding that led to the creation of the internet, and that a pretty accurate statement.  Perhaps somebody else would have stepped up in his absence, but there is little doubt that Gore was a significant participant in the early days of the internet as we know it today.
 
And, as has been pointed out, I think we can all agree that the internet is pretty darn awesome.
 

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Originally posted by ParielIsBack

Originally posted by oldsoldier

And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world.


Actually, the internet was invented by Sir Timothy Berners Lee. :nododgynecessary:

Also, am I missing something, as it seems to be working pretty freakin' awesome for the world.

Actually, he and CERN were instrumental in developing the World Wide Web, not the Internet.  Credit for that still go back to DARPA and ARPANET (and all the smaller contributing networks, such as ALOHANET).

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  Quote __sneaky__ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2009 at 1:11am
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Originally posted by oldsoldier



BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE.


It is 58° in Boston right now. It snowed once with no accumulation about two weeks ago.


58 and BEAUTIFUL.
High 60's and sunny all week here. Its usually ready to snow about this time of the year here.
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I've been researching alternative energy sources for my house. Not so much as a "save the planet" thing, more as a "save my wallet" type thing.

It seems, with only a little bit of internet instruction, you can build your own solar panels for about $25-$30 each, using chipped cells. The chipped cells are only about 80%-90% as efficient, but that's mostly because of lost surface area.


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I've been researching alternative energy sources for my house. Not so much as a "save the planet" thing, more as a "save my wallet" type thing.It seems, with only a little bit of internet instruction, you can build your own solar panels for about $25-$30 each, using chipped cells. The chipped cells are only about 80%-90% as efficient, but that's mostly because of lost surface area.


You do realize how little energy solar panels gather in the first place right? If they're even less efficient than a normal photovoltaic cell, what's the point?
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