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Ruska
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Topic: Official "Project Salvo" Review ThreadPosted: 09 July 2009 at 8:57pm |
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Please feel free in the following thread to post your reviews of Tippmann's Newest marker, the Project Salvo!
Also, don't hesitate to ask questions or make constructive comments concerning the marker! With that said: __________ My Project Salvo (AKA Sierra One) ![]() What can I say? WOW! First off I wasn't expecting this to show up at my doorstop, especially not as soon as today, so I was already quite excited as soon as I saw the shape of the UPS box. So here's my initial review. Now keep in mind I haven't fired this marker yet, as it has JUST arrived and I wanted to tell you folk about it first. So you can see from the picture above the thing is pretty for sure. Since I'm in Canada, I believe it goes by a different name, and doesn't have any US Army branding on it. Instead it bears a large, and fairly modern "TPN" badge on the side. If you go to tippmann.com and click on Canada, you should be able to see the "TPN" line. ![]() Overall quite impressed. As always it feels solid and reliable. The sliding stock connects in the same was as the Alpha Black (Bravo One) did and operates in the same manner as well. I must admit, I played SWAT around the house almost immediately after putting the stock on. The marker is noticeably front heavy from the large sight rails on all 4 sides, but that was without a full hopper of paint, or an air tank on the gun, which I must say I imagine would balance it out much more. Not sure about if you're using a remote, but I never ever have, so it's not an issue for me. The front sight is just like on the Custom Pro, slightly imbedded in the sight rail, and just like always you can press it down to allow the hopper to drop down to the side for faster cleaning. I've always been a fan of that idea, so as always I'm glad it's still there. There are also mounting points for a sling if you use one. Also just like the Alpha Black, the fake magazine does release from the body of the gun with the push of a "button" (actually the mag itself) and can be used to store tools and whatnot, just like before. The mag is MUCH shorter than on the alpha black though, and is straight rather than curved. IMO, the trigger pull feels the same, if not slightly lighter than a 98 custom, which would make sense as it appears to share the same/ similar internal style that they favour. The velocity adjustment is also in the same place as on the 98 custom, so that's nice and familiar. The barrel threading appears to be 98 custom threading, and not A5 threading as well. Not sure what else I can say at the moment, as I just have the looks to go by, but it looks great, and feels great too. I must say I'm liking the "rougher" finish to the gun as well. The metal body of the gun isn't as smooth as the 98 custom, but instead a more coarse surface. Feels more rugged I guess. So, loving it so far, cant wait to try it out. If people want any specific pictures I think I can manage that, I just snapped a quick one on the cell to send to others. *EDIT* As an additional HOLY CRAP, the stock folds! I had no idea as I didn't even look at the box. But sure enough, the stock folds to the right side...amazing. Edited by Ruska - 13 July 2009 at 12:08am |
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Reb Cpl
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 4:16pm |
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Please feel free in the following thread to post your reviews of Tippmann's Newest marker, the Project Salvo!
Also, don't hesitate to ask questions or make constructive comments concerning the marker! With that said: ____________________________ My "Out of Box" Review. She's got some weight to her, that's for sure, but not enough to the point where its awkward or uncomfortable. In fact, its a pretty solid feeling marker, there's nothing about it that feels flimsy or cheap. I will say that when a compressed air tank is added to it without the benefit of a remote line.....it's going to get heavy......fast. Right off the bat, the rails. Good God the rails. You can mount anything and everything you like to this marker. Rails all over the hand guard, and along the flat-topped receivers, makes this amazingly customizable for those of you into Mil-Sim. Not being a believer in using scopes or electronic sights on paintball markers, I can't help but wonder how awesome a good sight system would look mounted to this. It just.....works. The stock sights that come with it- easily removed, which makes it so much more great for people looking for aftermarket sighting systems. The stock.....I cannot say enough good things about this design. There are many instances where a stock is great to have, but on occasion when you're carrying the marker or crawling around, etc. - you'd love to dremmel the damn thing off and toss it into the woods. The folding piece on PS eliminates that concern. Completely adjustable in terms of length, its as comfortable as the stock on the Alpha Black, with the added bonus of it being folding. Plus, when collapsed and folded out of the way, there is no impediment on the trigger use. Barrel: Its got the same thick barrel design that the Alpha black does, which will make putting any old after market barrel on it tough since it will fit sloppily inside the hand guard/barrel shroud. You could technically use my electrical tape trick on something thinner (PM for details) or just wait and see what Tippmann comes out with for compatible barrel systems, I'd imagine it won't be too long before the options are there. The handguard/barrel shroud itself: While I give it full props for the aesthetics and the ability to have accessories mounted to it, I am going to detract a few points for comfort. Its got a sort of blocky feel to it when you're holding it. Nothing too serious, but its just enough that I'm sure I'm going to find myself sub-conciously using the magazine (love the short mag setup by the way) as a horizontal grip rather than hang onto the railed barrel shroud. - Keep in mind, that this can also be remedied by adding an after market foregrip to the bottom rail mounts. This is about all I can give you until I get a chance to field-test it, but right out of the box, it is the usual "Tippmann Impressive" Sturdy, practical, familiar (since its basically the same design as the 98/Alpha Black with some aesthetic modifications) and not altogether unattractive. I'd bill it as the Alpha Black's "Ugly Little Brother" but there's still something appealing about it to look at. Look for an update as soon as I get a chance to take it into the field. In the meantime, please feel free to add your own thoughts/comments/Questions. |
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Evil Elvis
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 8:33pm |
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Project Salvo/Alpha Black Tactical comparison
Today being such a nice day. After Work I grabbed my brand new Project Salvo and Decided to test it Side by Side with my trusty ABT in a 3 v.s. One game against my nephews. Now to make things fun while I was about to swap the Cyclone from the ABT to the new Project Salvo but in my gear bag I found the old Brass Eagle Hopper 40 round hopper. Performance wise it was as reliable and cycled as any of the Tippmann's in my arsenal. So I'll focus my reviews on the changes from the Alpha Black. In the Alpha Black Tippmann and U.S. Army paintball made hands down the most affordable and complete MILSIM tactical package that any beginner player can get on the market today. With the look and Feel of Real Steel Assault Rifle. Players wanted more tactical and upgrade options and Tippmann delivered with the Project Salvo the second marker in the hugely successful U.S. Army Paintball. The changes;
The hardware change, new Quad rail hand guard with detachable Front Sight and Sling Swivel. Now adding tactical accessories is a snap. I added a foregrip for ease of engagements.
New Six position Folding and Collapsible Stock. With furniture based on the latest Tactical Hardware. Flat top rail with removable rear sight. The sights look like the removable sights made by Knight's Armament.
Overall you will find that the Project Salvo might be the perfect marker for the guy who Spent $500 to get his MILSIM primary up and now needs an affordable Primary that can handle itself on the field and can accept many performance and tactical upgrades.
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 6:17pm |
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My first impression of the Project Salvo Marker is that Tippmann again has another great marker. While this marker is similar to some of Tippmann’s other markers, there are some new, important and player appreciated features. One of my favorite features is the ability to easily attach a sling to the front and rear of the marker. Project Salvo has many picatinny rails which allows players to further upgrade their markers to met their MilSim or specialty needs. Also, the marker’s grip is very comfortable. Another unmentioned but pleasant feature that this marker has, is the ability to see if the gun is cocked, ready to be fired. With a quick glance a player can quickly and easily look at the small exposed area behind the cocking pin and see if the spring is cocked. All too often I have forgotten to have my marker cocked at the start of a game only to find out after I have pulled the trigger and not fired. I then have to scramble to cock the marker while wasting valuable play time and missing shot opportunities while the other players are running around and exposed. For players to have this quick check ability, this may give a player thean edge at the start of each game. The tool kit magazine now fits snuggly into the marker and does not seem as flimsy previous versions. The collapsible and folding stock allows for in game, situation by situation, position adjustment to fill any need. The stock can be fully extended, for longer, well placed shots or with a few quick movements, collapsed and folded for to give the player greater mobility and a smaller profile allowing the player greater speed and the option to squeeze into tight spaces. Although this marker has a "Made in China" sticker, my impression of the marker is that it is made with the same quality and toughness Tippmann has built their reputation on. The receivers are made from an all aluminum die cast, still uses the stainless steel gas line (wont rust or break), uses their proven high performance In-line bolt system, and uses the quick release feeder elbow. The quick release feeder elbow is a nice feature which makes cleaning out any paint breaks very quick and easily. With a barrel squeegee, this task can be done on the field and during play. The U.S. Army line of Tippmann markers is a great way for new and not-so new players to get a hold of a cosmetically upgraded marker at a low, great price. I can recall spending a great deal of money upgrading my earlier Tippmann markers to have many of the features that come included with this marker right out of the box, ei… the functional tool kit magazine clip, the picatinny rails, the foldable, collapsible stock, carry handles and many more. This marker is definitely a great buy for new players and players into MilSim. With all the great features and the proven reliability of Tippmann, go out and buy one to add to your collection. Edited by God - 13 July 2009 at 6:25pm |
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Posted: 16 July 2009 at 12:10am |
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For those of you who have cracked open your Project Salvo or can do a quick check for me, I would appreciate a quick reply. I noticed as I was dry cocking and firing this marker, that behind the drive spring and guide pin, there is a free roaming buffer o-ring. Is this o-ring actually supposed to be free-roaming or has it somehow freed itself from its stationary place? Thanks. Edited by God - 16 July 2009 at 12:11am |
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Mack
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Posted: 16 July 2009 at 10:39am |
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I don't have an AB or PS but, as they are based on 98 internals, that is probably normal. (The 98 series has always had a free-roaming o-ring to act as a buffer between the rear hammer and end cap. Not having it in place can lead to bad things such as cracked shells or end cap failures.)
Just checked an online schematic; it's shown as part "98-57 buffer o-ring." |
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Ruska
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Posted: 20 July 2009 at 11:40am |
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Even the TPX has a free floating o ring back there. I remember being freaked out about that when I bought my first tippmann, I thought it had come off the back bolt somehow and I couldn't wrap my head around how it could have got over the cocking knob. Figured it out eventually.
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Posted: 27 July 2009 at 12:05pm |
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I know i probly sound like a noob but where did u order it from? im canadian too and badlands said that they didnt have the Project salvo in stock yet... |
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Posted: 27 July 2009 at 12:27pm |
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 5:39pm |
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Instead of Electrical tape try Heatshrink Tubing used in electronics. You can buy it in various colors, lengths, and widths, and when heated, shrinks up to 50%. You may have to use two or three layers, but there's no sticky residue and easily removed later to leave your barrel in like new condition.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 6:05am |
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I didnt see an answer but i may have missed it while skimming through. yes that o-ring is supposed to be back there just chillin. i freaked out whne i took mine apart the first time thinking i missed something. lol. so youre good no worries. |
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Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:33am |
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A note for those who care. Those o-rings do wear out. It is a good idea to check them out whenever you clean/disassemble your marker. The one on my first 98 crumbled to pieces and jammed up the sear spring.
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Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:41am |
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dumb question, but do you mean any or the buffer o-ring? Because I do know theres a free-floating one in there >.> |
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Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:48am |
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All O-rings degrade with time. Specially when you use CO2. You should invest in a small tool box and these will be some of your musts;
Tank O-rings; you'l burn through many of these specially with a tank on gun set up. Bolt O-rings Ball Dendant; it's that weird rubber orange piece that holds the ball in your marker. One of those cool pocket folding Allen key set. A good Lube or marker oil. |
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Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:50am |
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wont all that fit in the tool storage of Alpha Black/Project salvo? =P |
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Posted: 13 September 2009 at 1:05am |
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not even 1/10th of what a regular player will end up needing. Besides you don't want to cut your games short because some people are ill prepared and their marker goes down.
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Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:40am |
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I was specifically referring to the buffer o-ring, but all o-rings will degrade over time. On the other o-rings (such as the one on the rear bolt) even the smallest, barely visible nick can be sufficient to degrade performance.) |
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Posted: 14 September 2009 at 11:50am |
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Wow...I mean...WOW! This combo works great. I shoot 'real' rifles and got into airsoft a little but was dissapointed in the preformance enough not to get bit bad. The Project Salvo is very sweet. Handles very well...balance seems a little butt heavy but am thinking of going remote. Accuracy was pretty good right out of the box. I put 1000 rounds thru it just plinking before putting another 500 while chasing my kids thru the woods. I noticed that even though it's much bigger and heavier than their A5's it was much more stable in medium range engagements. It never jammed or even stuttered during the 1500 rounds. I can already see a few minor upgrades I need to do. First one is some rubber rail covers, which I use on my real AR's. Next is an red dot or ACOG clone sight. Forearm grip and sling. I got mine for $149 (same as Sports Authority's current sale price) but since I got it at the park I get 30 days of free nitro fills and free game play. They offer mostly woodball and arena but have had a lot of milsim requests and are thinking of setting up a league. I could have gotten a factory refurbed 98 custom for $85 or factory refurbed A5 for $149 but by the time I put a stock and/or forearm on it I was back up there in cost. The Salvo is very cost effective for a noob. You have loads of upgrades and add-ons to use later if you want.
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Posted: 17 October 2009 at 6:28pm |
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i was looking for a gunlike the salvo but unfortunetly i bought an a5 before the salvo came out
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Posted: 23 October 2009 at 1:32pm |
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I bought the Sierra One (Cdn version Salvo) and am pretty impressed. My previous Marker was a 98C. The internals are the same with maybe some minor differences ie: power valve. As with most Tippman Markers..its durable. Comes stock with an 11" barrel which isn't to bad for accuracy, better than the 8" on the 98C. I tested a number of paint brands through the stock barrel and upgraded to a J&J 12" Ceramic. Accuracy with the J&J was a lot better. I have a 12" Lapco Bigshot on order that i will be testing as well.
Paints tested (Cheap brands from Walmart), Fired at 8" wide fence post at 75ft, 200balls each, CO2 air:
Zap Rec series (Best with Sierra One w/ stock and J&J in my case)
Stryker
GameFace ReconCamo
Visible impact
RPS Stingers
PROS:
-The handguards are a nice touch with the rails to allow attachments.
-Decent accuracy with the stock 11" barrel (remember; i used cheaper paint)
-Durable, nice solid feel to it
-Easy to maintain
-Most Parts interchangeable with the 98C
-Magazine Tool kit
-Easy to swab barrel by dropping the feed port and feeding the squeegy through
-Folding collapsible stock (very nice)
- Lots of barrel choices as its 98C threaded
CONS:
-With the stock extended and depending on mask, it can be hard to look through the sites when firing.
-Not a fan of the feed port, i would prefer something a little more offset (from factory) to allow better sighting over the barrel with a sight riser and hopper attached.
-Bulky if tank is attached to stock air fitting, solved with a remote line.
Conclusion:
Its a nice marker with some nice thoughtout improvements. I would recommend it to anyone, but score it a 8/10 for the sight rail and feed port CONS mentioned above. Not much point in having a sight rail to attach stuff to if you can't see with the hopper in the way. I could upgrade to a cyclone feed system with offset hopper but shouldn't have to, an offset gravity hopper or feeder available in the box or for order by Tippmann would solve the problem. I didn't mention wieght as it wasn't an issue with me. Not really a CON so i didn't mention it there, but the handguards have a loose fit on aftermarket barrels(IE: J&J) which is easily solved by wrapping some electrical or hockey tape around the barrel where it meets the front of the handguard.
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